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SFSD Episode 1: The one that started it all... [56:31m]: Play Now | Play in Popup | Download (12302)Here it is boys and girls. This is the battle that has been debated ad nauseam at Slice of Scifi. You sent in your voicemails, your emails, your telepathic mojo…
We now present to you the match-up that has launched this podcast: The USS Enterprise vs. the Battlestar Galactica.
Christiana Ellis (Nina Kimberly the Merciless, Pickle Tales, and just a few other podcasts) holds the banner for the Enterprise while Tony Mast (Fanboy Smackdown) champions the Galactica.
This battle for the ages is moderated by Trampas Whiteman (Dragonlance Canticle).
Before the real contest begins, the undercard takes the stage and in round robin style, Christiana, Trampas, and Tony discuss the merits of each of the contestants and how they would fair in a cross-country road race.
The contestants? Knight Industries Two Thousand… K.I.T.T. vs. Herbie, The Love Bug.
Think you know how this will turn out? Think again. Then give us your thoughts on how these match-ups play out.
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This is so super geeky that I had to listen. Wow, nice job guys.
Totally dugg!
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Retreat isn’t an option for the Galactica — it is a requirement.
I think Enterprise would win — but Galactica is a battleship. Enterprise is a the weight equalivant of an advanced light cruiser.
Galactica has the capability to overwhelm Enterprises electronic defense. If Enterprise is using the phasors in a defensive capacity, it doesn’t have the phasor capacity to commit to offensive fire as well. Frankly, I don’t think Enterprise has the phasor capacity to defend against Galactica’s saturation style of attack.
Enterprise would be forced to tactical micro-warp jumps. Vipers would be a nuisance, but ineffective and when attacking Enterprise with its ability to micro warp, takes the vipers out of the equation.
Awesome stuff, cant wait to see more!
Enterprise is going to win.
Galatica has no shields.
Enterprise could beam a photon torpedo set to detonate right into Galatica’s power plant or they could use the transporter to cut Galatica in half.
Pat, dude…you take this waaaay to seriously.
It should be a no-contest.
We’ve seen phaser drilled through a plant’s crust.
We’ve seen shield on a starship that can take a serious beating from phasers without giving out.
The Battlestar Galactica universe has no shield technologies, not to mention still using fusion source for power generation and laser type offensive weapons.
I don’t think it’s that hard to see who will come out on top
Tactical minijumps effectvily counter the Enterprise’s micro warp jumps. The battle would be decided within the fire few seconds of the conflict. The Galactic would just jump capable raptors to locate the Enterprise, and then just Jump in well within their heavy gun’s maximum range.
The Enterprise’s shields would probably be mostly effective against the non-explosive projectiles that the Vipers use, but not the exploding rounds of the Galactic, nor its missiles, no the Viper’s missiles.
The real question is can the Enterprise’s shields withstand that amount of punishment, given Colonial docterin seems to be a skip and hit approach.
Additionally the Galactica possesses several nuclear missiles, and while we do not know their exact size or the power of the warhead given that 6 were enough to obliterate a continent, I’d gather they were in the megaton range which while less efficient than a photon torpedo, would still do the job.
Which Enterprise?
I’ll assume the original.
Either way, Kirk gets more tail than Adama. And he solved the Kobiyashi Moru. Winner - Enterprise.
And if it was Sulu’s vessel, forget it.
Phasers - light speed
Missiles - subluminal
Impulse drives - fractional light speed
Thrusters - negligible light speed
Shields - deflect energy and mass
Hull - deflects mass (and absorbs energy)
Transporter/Tractor beams/deflector dish
Hooks & ropes?
Technology is key. Enterprise will win - it’s ‘technology is indistinguishable from magic’ relative to the more realistic battlestar.
Wait…which Enterprise? There’ve been 6.
Okay, laugh at me if you want but I’m more interested in seeing Adama Vs. Picard in a very terse, well-worded exchange and some rather badass iconic imagery.
1. The Enterprise seen through the windshield of a Viper, showing that it is completely surrounded by them with Galactica floating in the background.
2. Adama offering Picard a glass of water in
his private cabin as they discuss why they both don’t want to have to harm each other but
absolutely will if they have to.
3. The look on Both Picard and Adama’s faces as a Borg Sphere and a Cylon Mothership jump
into range.
4. The look on their faces as the Borg assimilate the Cylons creating a true threat
to both as the Cy-Borg (:P)
5. The nightmarish vision of a Cylon Centurion mixed with Borg Technology.
Really, who cares who would win in a fight?
I wanna see them team up to take on a threat
that’s bigger than them both!
I mean come on, who WOULDN’T watch this?!
Adam vs. Picard vs. Starbuck vs. the sexy half-borg chick in the silver unitard.
Without shields, the Enterprise can set their forward phasers to stun, wide angle dispersal and knock out the entire crew of the Galactica at once. They’ve knocked out multiple city blocks with this approach in the past (A Piece of the Action). With no crew, the Enterprise can transport over and take over the Galactica without a fight. Next!
Phasers, nukes, vipers aside…
The enterprise can just beam everyone on Galactica into space if it came down to it.
Or even easier beam a couple torpedos into the heart of Galactica. End of story.
P.S. this was done on both DS9 and Voyager
I think the galactica would beat the enterprise. Microjumps don’t mean a thing, they still have to be within weapons range(and really, the galactica’s jumping would be able to match the enterprise’s movements). The phasors fire so painfully slow in startrek, that the rapid firing weapons of the galactica would easily overwhelm their shields once the distance was closed.
I think the nuclear weapons are a real trump card. In the old series, there was mention of nuclear weapons being banned because they were too destructive, so they went to use photon torpedoes. This would let us know that nuclear weapons were more powerful than photon torpedoes. The galactica takes a pounding in every fight, and doesn’t return to out of the box condition every episode like the enterprise does, so we can assume that the galactica’s hull is far superior to the enterprises, since she’s taken multiple nuclear hits and is still going. This being the case, I think the galactica’s hull would be proof against photon torpedoes, at least for a square off challenge like this.
As said before, the phasors are the only real question. If the enterprise used them offensively, they’d be destroyed, as all the firepower brought to bear would tear them to pieces. If used as a point defence, they /might/ last long enough to use their transporters to put warheads inside of the galactica, if they succeeded, I think it would be a draw, with both ships destroyed.
Okay, to the guy who thought Sulu’s ship wouldn’t survive? Dude, seriously. HIS SON CAN STOP TIME.
You just need to get with it…
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F-22 Raptor (Enterprise) VS Sopwith Camel (Galactica).
You can’t even argue this one. :p
(Okay, okay, you can..)
Enterprise FTW
Saucer separation into a pincer movement attack on the Galactica.
As a counter to the photon torpedoes beamed into the heart of the Galactica, whats to keep them from loading a nuke on a raptor, doing reeeaaaalllly good math on the calculations, then jumping the raptor inside the shuttle bay on Enterprise… kerblooey?
OK .. It all comes down to the vers. number
of the Enterprise .. are we talking original series Enterprise or Next Gen Enterprise … It DOES make a difference!! 
Enterprise has the technical advantage with it’s transporter. A security team or macos could beam aboard with explosive and take out the ship, or do what we did in the Corps and take engineering and the bridge directly.
Galactic’s advantage is it crew is battle hardened, adapts very quickly and still of the vicious human ilk.
besides Data will defect for caprica six
….had to sneak that in their.
Watch season 3 episode 2 of Galactica ( The one where the Galactica jumps into new Caprica) That was one of the best moments in SciFi. Completely unexpected and they totally owned the Cylons. I have never seen the enterprise do anything as good as that. I want a battlestar.
In my opinion, the Galatica is like an aircraft carrier while the Enterprise is like a battle cruiser.
In that sense, I bet my money on the aircraft carrier. Galatica could launch waves of attack and escort fighters carrying nuke tipped anti-ship missiles. If need be, the Galatica could launch air strikes 24×7 as long as there are enough fighters and crew. Also don’t forget, Galatica have the ability of using stealth fighter where as the Enterprise could not use any sort of stealth tech. While it is true that the fighters couldn’t do a lot of damage due to the Enterpris’ shield, but this means the Enterprise could not use their transporter. All the fighters could carry small nukes and the Enterprise’s shield is not unlimited. It’s like a swarm of bees attacking at the same time. Individually they would be annoying, but lots of them will make you feel the sting quite effectivly.
The Enterprise’s weapon system while superior, it is designed to go against captal ships at close range. This means that as long as the Galatica is beyound the range of Enterprise’s weapons, it would be safe. Besides, look at the Marquees, they have smaller fighters and carry smaller torps but they could still give Enterprise problems while not having any sort of captal ship that could go 1:1 with the Enterprise.
Bottom line, as long as the Galatica sticks to navel aircraft carrier tatics, the Enterprise won’t hurt it. However, the Galatica is going to pay a heavy price in terms of fighter losses since the Enterprise could use phasers and the fighters have no defense other then relying on their speed and hoping that the phasers have hard time locking on small objects.
Earth rules! Those Cobol (sic) idiots who went off to form their own independent 12 colonies did manage to get far away (beyond Federation space) but clearly invested their technology dollar in developing defective robots instead of superior starships. No wonder they crashed. The only real question for the writers is how would Kirk get Number Six away from Baltar?
I think the key for Galctica to beat Enterprise (for this argument, ncc1701-d) would be to jump a Raptor carrying a nuke(s) INSIDE where the shield would be out of freakin’ nowhere and detonate the nuke(s) immediately. Shields up or no after they detect the raptor, Enterprise is toast.
That moots shields.
In fact, why waste a nuke. Jump the raptor directly inside the matter-antimatter reaction assembly. Disrupt magnetic containment and Enterprise destroys itself. Actually… why didn’t anybody with a transporter beam just drop a magnet into the MARA? Seems simple enough.
Of course, Enterprise at that point could jettison MARA before it blew… but then they wouldn’t really have power for warp or sustained Phaser ops. The MARA explosion would do a job on Enterprise and Galactica could jump in and finish the job.
Of course, one threat to Galactica would be Enterprise beaming 4 cargo bays worth of Starfleet Marines into Galactica and tearing shit up. It was bad enough for Galactica when those Centurions boarded. Imagine an entire infantry rifle company appearing out of nowhere.
So Galactica at this point would have to just jump in, launch Vipers to finish off the damaged, listing Enterprise and jump out before Enterprise gets a shot.
So the real question would be does Adama want to lose a Raptor, a good pilot and some nukes? Or does he want to lose a Raptor, a good pilot and a number of Vipers and their pilots.
As far as just the 2 big vessels Mano-a-mano, I don’t think the Enterprise combat tech is going to be a huge advantage. Galactica up and faces off against 4 Cylon base ships and if it’s to hot just jumps out. So it doesn’t really matter how powerful Enterprises weapons are. Enterprise chases after ships that are traveling via warp all the time. Nobody chases you through a jump.
As far as Galactica’s weapons, Enterprises shields can be defeated if your phasers are operating on certain frequencies. Nukes are broad spectrum. So you send properly timed serial barrage of nukes and the shields become increasingly destabilized to the point where the rest make it through. Use the EMP from the warheads to get the explosive payload in there.
Enterprises only real threat against Galactica is that transporter beam. Even if your boarding party takes Galactica crew members away from their stations to defend close quarters… that takes them off of fire direction and all of a sudden Galactica is no longer a warship.
So Galactica I think has the upper hand and could send NCC1701-D back the the Mars shipyard, but only if it keeps away from that transporter.
I think that the true mistake here is trying to compare the two and then matching them up. Star trek was designed to be super futuristic and complete fantasy. Galactica was designed to be almost believable. I mean, take the Cylons out of the question, the Artificial Grav, and the FTL drive, and Galactica is almost current day yes technology yes? The enterprise on the other is totally fictional. Nothings scientifically plausible. Star trek was about floating around the galaxy finding new planets and meeting new races of people and solving there problems for them because the human race is so much superior to any other race or at least that how enterprise portrays its self. Galactica is about the human race fleeing from their own creation they made to better them selves that is now trying to destroy them after eradicating almost the entire human race in a Nuclear apocalypse…
How can you even try to compare these two shows and ships i ask?
And more importantly, to what end?
Picard v. Adama would be pretty cool, but i think that the enterprise would prevail.
The photon torpedo’s are way more powerful than anything that BSG has, even nukes. I think that biggest problem that the enterprise would be the raptors. The reason is that there are so many of them, and the enterprise only has 2 phaser banks(i think). They could take out a raptor with one shot, but hitting them would be a problem.
The biggest deciding factor would be enterprises sheilds. Adama’s attack would wear down the shields but bsg would take such a pounding that it wouldn’t be able to mount any formidable attack. Once picard was at the point of destroying galactica, he would stop and ask for surrender and tell them how to get to earth.
they will fly right through wolf 359, and get assimilated by the borg and sexy 6 would be the new “hot” borg queen.
This have to be the geekyist conversation in history
Neither ship will succomb to the other’s weapon systems. After the inventories are depleted, it comes down to a demolition derby. Damn the photon torpedoes, full thrust ahead.
Enterprise is going to snap like a twig in a hundred places.
Enterprise. No contest. It has:
1. Energy shields (rail guns only use magnetism to launch a projectile. The projectile has not significant magnetic field after launch… only velocity)
2. Impulse/Warp maneuvering (fractional light speed/greater than light speed)
3. Phases and photon torpedoes would obliterate Galactica (Enterprise’s maneuverability would ensure that torpedoes penetrate Galacica’s gun screen)
4. Transporter - Using its maneuverability it could easy drop its shields long enough to transport a torpedo directly into Galactica’s engine core.
Galactica will be no match for any generation Enterprise (except the Enterprise from the most recent series). My thoughts:
- Galactica has no shield technology; Galactica would be unable to penetrate the Enterprise’s shields with their primitive weaponry (in comparison with Star Trek tech)
- even with nuclear weaponry on the Galactica, the Enterprise’s shields are more than capable of handling that type of weaponry (besides, the Enterprise could easily use the transporter to take out the nuclear threat).
These are a few of my thoughts. I am a fan of both Scifi series (as a side thought, Galactica wouldn’t even stand a chance against Voyager).
When Galactica finds Earth, which version of the Enterprise does it find? Has anyone figured out what Earth Century the Galactica world corresponds to?
When we have our joyous reunion does the Federation destroy the Cylons by having Spock talk to them (tell two versions of Number Six “I love you. I hate the other one.”
I was going to post when there was only 3 post, but… what the heck it’s useless.
it was fun thou and that’s all… i’m on the galactica side, winning or loosing.
Regarding nuclear weapons -
In TOS episode “The Balance of Terror”, a nuclear device is detonated 100 meters from the hull of the enterprise. The ship survives and is able to return fire effectively against the Romulan ship.
Additionally, in “The Doomsday Machine”, the planet-eater fires beams that can carve a planet in half. The Enterprise survives multiple shots. Obviously, the energy needed for that kind of weapon far out strips a nuclear reaction.
Of course, in TNG, they developed shields that allow them to exist in the sun’s corona. Lots and lot of nuclear bombs
I like BSG as much as anyone, but the technology used in that show is clearly inferior to the Star Trek universe. This is something that R. Moore has decided is a way to distance it from the ST franchise. Star Trek is all about technology saving the day, BSG is about the human condition under adversity.
The real question is what happens when a third party pops a cyno and doomsdays the grid. Galactica armor tanks, so it’d be fine against the EM. But would the Enterprise’s shields and structural integrity fields be able to survive? I think not.
The enterprise’s shields reflect energy style weapons by spreading the energy accross an area, the reason why a phaser hit against the enterprise always shows a energy bloom .
As the gallatica fires only mass rounds with a high potential energy value the Enterprises sheilds will reduce the mass impact but not the resultant detonation (the thunk not the boom), as the enterprise is held togeather by an ‘integrity field’ rather than mass of armor I feel that this battle would be based upon the ammount of damage that could be met out by The galactica.
The question should be I feel, not if the Gallactica could destroy the enterprise but more of the case of, could the Gallactica met out enougth damage to ensure that the power systems of the enterprise could not disperse the energy sufficiently thus resulting in a breach of its armor.
The Equation below can be used to demonstrate this.
P - Potential damage of charge
v - PE reduction by sheild
R - Resultant damage of charges payload
G - Sustainability of Enterprises shielding system
X - Life expectancy of ship (Tank)
P=V-R
G-P=X
As im sure you will all agree, either way you cut it Picard is eating vacuum.
what if the Galactica finaly got to earth but it was during the time of Starfleet. that would rock…
So did you guys do plenty of research at the annual “Starship Smackdown” event at San Diego Comic-Con hosted by CFQ magazine (which has no association with this site) or what? Jeez guys, at least acknowledge that someone has done it before… and better.
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Damn. Looks ok in View Source…
Galactica has nuclear missiles and many external fighters to boot, nuff said.
OK,
First of all the aircraft carrier idea, not bad but impossible simply because the vipers are far too slow, impulse drive is capable of reaching velocities equivalent to 80% of the speed of light due to the inertial dampners allowing it to trancend eistinian physics.
http://www.memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Impulse_drive
The vipers are using simple thrusters firing projectile weapons and missiles,all of which may as well be standing still compared to a speed of even 1%c
Next as far as destroying the vipers, any enterprise has a targeting system capable of locking onto and targeting other vessels moving at such speeds, once again the vipers may as well be stationary targets compared with the relative velocity calculations the Star trek computers would have to reach to target and hit ships moving at impulse speeds.
Next, we are not even mentioning the fact that star trek ships are capable of firing while at warp speeds ( seen in literally dozens of episodes ) A single warp strafe with a spread of photon torpedoes, ( 4 torps, equal to 247 megatons or 5,152 cylon tactical antiship nukes ) would be occur from galacticas point of view in fractions of a picosecond.
the technologies are simply so imbalanced that a comparison requires total fanoboyism to allow it to even anything but a laughable insta-detonation of galactica.
As was mentioned before, Ron Moore, deliberately crafted galactica as a low tech ship so its tech would be grounded in reality.
I can see a ship like galactica actually existing, whereas enterprise is a technofantasy
to compare again, it would be like the Battleship Yamato ( real one, not starblazers ) vs a modern Arleigh Burke class destroyer.
Yamato is 10 times the tonnage, 3 times the lenght, armored, and bristling with huge bad ass guns of doom.
Arleigh Burke has radar and tomahawk cruise missles.
fight over.
Seriously, lets move on to something close.
I think enterprise would win, and here is why:
1. Weapons- Galactica relies on archaic solid/liquid fuel propelled rockets armed with nukes as their main line of offense. Enterprise could simply dispatch these with phasers and torpedo spreads.
Vipers wouldn’t fair much better with their lack of defense and inferior munitions.
2. Shields- Enterprise has em and Galactica doesn’t.
3. Transporters- Back to the shields, we know with the lack of shielding on Galactica, enterprise could simply disable the ship by transporting its power-plant into a cargo bay or open space. They could also disrupt command by transporting Adama to the brig.
Its not to say it would be completely one-sided, but Enterprise benefits from 24th century tech. while Galactica is something we might see in a hundred years or so.
Also as some have mentioned, Enterprise is a exploration vessel, while Galactica is a Warship. No doubt a ST universe warship would make quick debris of Galactica.
I concur with the last commenter.
Try it for yourself:
For a more hands on approach, interested geeks should check out this older game called “Bridge Commander” (IIRC). It was created for the Star Trek universe, but fans have created models and everything needed to import most ships (including civilian) from Galactica. This would even allow you to play out Galactica vs Borg, and other such scenarios.
ST tech is just so much more advanced that it really would be much of a fight. BSG is bad-ass though for it’s time-period.
Now, Defiant, thats a warship.
Ablative Armor, Quantum torpedos, Cloaking technology.
Crazy.
Ok… I got to weigh in on this. Think of the dead spot in the enterprise shields. The spot that they were able to get a shuttle in on episode (Ok, I’m not that much of a freak). Now, get the stealth viper back, slip it in to the shields up close to the hull. Take out the dish and then go to work on the weapons. Now you have a whole new battle.
Tactics will outdo technology every time. The Enterprise could probably take out Galactica on pure technology, but you have to put strategies on the table. Look how many no-win situations Kirk, and Picard have been in and thought their way out of.
sheilds, phasers, torpedos, nukes, railguns, transporters, technology all put aside for a moment you must look at the scale of the two ships and their components.
Enterprise - crew of 430. 289 meters long, 8 phaser emitters (4 banks of 2), fore and aft photon torpedo launchers.
Galactica - crew of 2,650. 1,414m long, As many as 506 point-defense dual Kinetic Energy Weapons, 24 primary dual Kinetic Energy Weapons, at least 12 missile tubes capable of firing conventional and nuclear missiles, Vipers, Raptors.
The Gallactica is over 4 times the size and firepower of the enterprise, not to mention the squadrons of vipers. A full on, immediate attack would overwhelm the Enterprise.
your font is too small and unreadable on black background so i didn’t read this entry (on my winXP notebook, resolution prolly 1024×768)
Yeah, it seems pretty hopeless for the galactica now.
Now, a real match would be the Culture’s(Iain M. Banks)Torturer class ROU Killing Time vs. the Enterprise.
Alas my beloved galactica would lose and NEVER even see the enterprise before they were destroyed.
Not only does enterprise of any erra have superior power, firepower, offensive weapons, and defensive weapons. but all of that means nothing.
ALSO enterprise has warp battlestar DOES NOT Jumping is NOT the same thing. First jumps take planning and timing and calculations. its VERY hard (probably impossible) to just “jump around” without extreme planning. By the time galatica spooled up the FTL the enterprise would have entered and exited warp several times and destroyed them.
Then enterprise can SEE ITERACT WITH AND FIGHT all while at WARP ie they could LOB torpedos at galatica as they zipped by totally invisible at warp 2
Galatica’s SL travel is more IPPT Instant Point to Point Travel. they descern no TIME passage NOR interaction WHILE jumping they just vanish from here and appear there. the only way for galatica to survivive is to JUMP AWAY but they would be dead before they realized they NEEDED to jump away.
After all that if your still reading this I will finally get to the ONE little bit of taken for granted technology that means galactica has ZERO chance not even a praire.
it all comes down to a simple letter. c.
EVERYTHING in galatica’s universe is C or SUB C this means if you warp in 8 light minutes away from galatica and THEN proceed toward galatica at full impulse (c) they will NEVER see you since they can not detect you UNTIL the sensor readings REACH galatica’s reciever array and those sensor paths are LUMINAL ie at the speed of light.
BUT I am coming at you AT C so you will be obliterated JUST as my presence is even detected by your sensor array.
you see the Star Trek universe has subspace technology. they can SEE interact with and COMMUNICATE at SUPERLUMINAL velocities. they can SEE your laser shot coming and simply MOVE out of the way while in galatica’s universe they would not SEE the phaser blast until it actually HIT galatica.
All I have to do is be 15 light seconds away from you and you will NEVER see me you will only see where I was 15 seconds ago but I will be able to see you in REAL TIME. Your dead.
Imagine getting into fist fight and when you saw a punch coming you had to IGNORE it for 2 seconds before you could react imagine if you LITERALLY did not see the punch coming until SECOND after it was actually thrown and had already HIT YOU.
Space battles in galatica are CLOSE IN RANGE to eliminate this time lag issue with distance. in galatical you could NEVER conduct a battle from more than a light second apart and even thats pushing it greatly.
Galactica would never even SEE its killer sadly. enterprise would warp in lob a volley of torps and watch galatica get blown apart.
On galactica dreides would never see the enterprise. they would just be going about there business and then suddenly boom it would be to them as if torps materialized just outside there hull and detonated instantly.
Galactica would be blown apart before the sensor readings getting from enterprise to the dreides array even reached galactica.
at the MOST they MIGHT see the torpedos on dreidas about half a second to one second before they impacted the hull. and with no sheilds…… The Navigator probably would not even have time to open his mouth to announce “something” was incoming”.
Its sad but a valid comparison. a more PROBABLY comparison would be say Stargates Starships versus Galactica. THAT would be a pretty tight close battle with stargate having more advanced sensors (again superluminal) but lacking the technology to DECISIVELY take advantage of those sensors. it would be a huge benifit though and again they have the transporter.
“Tactics will outdo technology every time. The Enterprise could probably take out Galactica on pure technology, but you have to put strategies on the table. Look how many no-win situations Kirk, and Picard have been in and thought their way out of.”
this implies equal technology. Imagine if there was nothing for kirk or picard to fight. they had no shields and could NEVER even see the enemy until they were being destroyed.
A child could defeat galatica if he was just barely smart enough to issue orders to an enterprise crew. When technology is THAT decisive there really is no praire. a child would say ok take me to that ship and fire everything we have.
the same thing would happen even if the child did not realize the advantage he had. they would warp in and fire (all this time not yet visible to galactica) and AS galactica detected “something” on dreidas several seconds to minutes will have already passed on enterprise and whatever they fired at galactica would already be REACHING galactica. they would not even have a chance to utter a reply not to speak of maneuver or or try and return fire (at what they still have not even SEEN enterprise)
It would be like pitting a single “ant” against a single human and the human always knows where the ant is (so even if its poisonous it can not sneak up on you)
the human need not be aware of its advantages it meerly needs to step on the ant. Game over. the ant would never even “see” the human that killed it. all it would know it is got shady just before it was squished.
I LOVE BSG but comparing ANYTING in the trek universe with anything in the BSG universe is just not a fair comparison. The technological differences are simply too great with superluminal communication motion and sensing being the end all difference. BSG just can not defeat its own physical limitations no matter how well trained they are.
EVEN EARTH TODAY might have a SLIGHT but small chance of defeating a single battlestar if it was in orbit (we have more icbm’s than the battle star has missles) it they could be reprogrammed to go straight up and not come back they would definitely be sufficient to overwhelm BSG’s flak field.
NOW if the BSG stayed out of orbit we would be toast no matter what
Then again we might still have a small chance against a SINGLE battlestar since it would likely run out of fuel and munitions long before it could obliterate even a fraction of our cities.
“Try it for yourself:
For a more hands on approach, interested geeks should check out this older game called “Bridge Commander†(IIRC). It was created for the Star Trek universe, but fans have created models and everything needed to import most ships (including civilian) from Galactica. This would even allow you to play out Galactica vs Borg, and other such scenarios.”
This would not work as it would GIVE to a BSG ship something a BSG ship does not have and this is what would so completely result in there defeat.
the ability to SEE at faster than light. To Communicate at faster than light NEITHER of which the galactica has and this is why they would lose without even being AWARE they were in a fight.
LOL - not even a question. ST ships travel at light speed, and use navigational shields and deflectors to push away projectiles moving at a very large fraction of light speed. Not to mention that its phasers have a range of a light second, and torpedoes are multimegaton and have an even higher range.
these idiots completely lost track of the discussion. the whole show started interestingly then turned lame. get some of the folks who wrote comments above and let them argue this one. just wasted a huge amount of my time, thanks.
C’mon what this really represents is a combat between writers wits, and lets face it, the writers of Star Trek (any one) we’re not jems. On the other hand the writers of BSG are hailed as some of the best on TV today. And you all know that while the writers of Star Trek are probably masterbating to X-men comic books, the BSG writers are educated, and prolly massively pumped. A good brawl would definately put the BSG team on top.
The outcome of this battle would only favor galactica if they jumped in and got a raptor or the entire ship too close to the enterprise for shields to be a factor.
If they both started in normal space then the enterprise would probably detect the galactica well before it could detect the enterprise and start hailing to try and make contact/peace as they do. Assuming we are talking Next Gen when they failed to respond worf would instantly insist that they went to yellow alert and raised shields at which time the galacticas chances would become almost nonexistant.
The enterprise wouldn’t fire first esp with Picard at the helm but once fired upon they would probably mock the galacticas armament and keep on exploring. If the galactica did manage to provoke a response then photon torpedo or two could be beamed over.
Raptors would be an annoyance that could be solved with a broad phaser blast.
1.) in a straight, ship to ship fight in open space - enterprise would win 9 times out of 10 due to technological superiority (the 1 time enterprise would lose would probably be a fluke or irresponsible recklessness).
2.) in an attacker vs defender scenario - depends on who’s attacking. technological superiority is meaningless if absolute surprise prevents effective use of that technology (even in the real world, attackers in a rubber boat managed to inflict heavy damage to a US Destroyer). a surprise attack from the Enterprise obviously would cut BSG in half, but an equally surprising and overwhelming nuclear attack from BSG would equally ruin enterprise: from what i understand, enterprise shields provide both defensive capability and structural integrity. when the shields go — as is likely with a sustained nuclear bombardment — the ship would basically collapse.
3.) in a ship to ship face off within a planetary system — i’d give BSG a 1 in 3 chance of winning. the apparent limitation of the enterprise weaponry is that they appear to be close range weaponry. even when fighting the borg, enterprise needed line of sight to use their weapons. and there is no indication that teleporter technology can be used over a very long range. BSG on the otherhand has close-in weaponry, fighter support and standoff weaponry. given choice of battlefield (and Adama, being a military guy, would obviously choose the battlefield carefully) BSG can make effective use of the cover available within a planetary system and the availability of vipers would make ambushes from multiple points of attack possible.
bottomline: enterprise wins due to technology (and only because of technology), but any scenario that can limit effective use of that tech would give BSG a narrow window of opportunity.
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My understanding of Starfleet tech (from Star Fleet Battles) is that the shields are directional and can be worn down by repeated kinetic impacts. Wouldn’t the vipers be able to do a heck of a job on one particular side (or back?)
Also, while the phasers are speed-of-light in vaccuum, their tracking systems are NOT - they’ve missed way too many times. They would be ineffective against the vipers.
Once the shield is breached on any given section, kinetic fire would tear up the Enterprise.
So I’d give it to BSG, as long as Galactica can keep from getting hit by the phasers.
There simply is no contest here. Nothing the Galactica has is effective above lightspeed, whereas the Enterprise functions fine in warp.
Kirk isn’t bloodthirsty and he will realize his opponent is no threat. He’ll nail the Galactica with phasers on stun and then beam over security teams.
No casualties, no damage.
Sure, in the number of shots they can fire the Galactica wins hands down, but so what? For a reasonable parallel, how about a machine gun vs a main battle tank?
Ok, I vote the next SFSD should be BSG’s Number 6 vs ST’s 7 of 9.
Does anyone really care who wins, as long as we get to watch?
hahaha! Like this one. The only thing that differs Galactica from Enterprise is time obviosly, but then again, how would the enterprise shield hold up against batterys of nuclear bombs? And the damage that the Galactica already has taken might be from oldschool weapons (
) but it’s still a strong steady bitch. A movie of this battle would be soooo cooooool! I can picture the scene where Apollo is fighting a klingon and Adama stand on the sideline giving boxing tips.
Why is there not a studio that mixes series like this question asked? I hope they will when the comic-book era wears off.
What you get is a big boom!
1. All Enterprise type ships are matter/antimatter powered.
Destroy the storage field for the antimatter and what do you get (even the 1st Enterprise holds tons of antimatter).
BSG when hit with the antimatter fuel from any Enterprise will just flash away. This is not like thermonuclear weapons (only a small part is turned into energy), Anything the antimatter lands on will turn into pure energy.
2. BSG fuel source is not as deadly as antimatter and would have no effect on any Enterprise should BSG blowup.
3. On Star Trek (TOS) one Constitution class Impulse engine if set to overload would create a force of over 100 megatons of TNT.
I thnk it is important to figure one ship’s defences verses the other ships offences. For example the Enterprise shields can only stop energy based weapons and would have no effect against any of the kinetic energy based weapons that Galactica wields from viper rounds to nuketipped missles.
The Galactica is heavilly armored but the enterprizes sensors probablly could detect weak spots on Galacticas hull. Enterprise could tailor their torpedos and phasers on those weak spots. This is of course if the many vipers and raptors in space donot screw with Enterprises targeting computers.
The Enterprise (D) probablly would seperate its saucer section and send it away to safety or have it fight as another target to confuse the Galactica. The Enterprise is more manuverable and I doubt the Vipers/Raptors could keep up with the Enterprise in full impuse power. The Galactice does not really manuver in battle as much as the Enterprise could.
The Enterprise phasers could posibally detonate galactica’s nuketipped missles before they reach the Enterprise, but there is always the possibility that one missle could get through.
The transporter really is Enterprises wildcard as mentioned by previous posters.
But in the end, I think that the Enterprise would win.
As Q, I would not allow this battle to even take place. Instead, I will transport key members of each crew to a planet in the Beta Quadrant. It just so happens a planet killer (See the ST episode “The Doomsday Machine”) is about to “eat” the planet. I think it would be music to my ears to here Picard scream, “Q! get us out of here!” I am sure Admiral Adama would simply look puzzled, as he has never watched Star Trek before, and Colonel Saul Tigh would simply drown himself in the nearest vat of alcohol. Worf of course would be whining that he is not a merry man and Data would be calculating their imminent destruction down to the nano second. Oh well… time to go harass the poor Robinson family who have been Lost in Space since the 1960’s.
Sincerely yours…
Q
Enterprise: Kirk has way more testosterone, plus he’ll cheat to win.
What a cool thread!!!
I’m a medium-sized sci-fi fan, but am nuts about both series. But alas, I agree with Tacky that it’s not really a contest – Enterprise would rule (esp. Galaxy class).
In humbleness, here are 2 engagement scenarios between the 2 ships: one without a Galactica Jump Sequence and one with:
Scenario 1-Non Jump: on the Enterprise, long-range sensors indicate the Galactica. The analysis would see the hull scarring, and scan the ship internals, and determine that it was a battle vessel. Further analysis would show no warp capability, and the presence of all the viper ships. The scan would possibly analyse those ships and determine them of no real threat. Therefore, the Enterprise would be able to assess the Galactica, determine its battle profile, and then try to contact it (using inferior communication frequencies, no doubt – not even subspace…) – point being is that Enterprise would have plenty of time to defend itself, with all of its superior technology, and so on.
Scenario 2-Jump: if the Galactica happened upon the Enterprise when exiting from a jump sequence, the Enterprise couldn’t leverage its distanced surveillance advantage such that they could plan at leisure. However the surveillance technology would still be available and so would the same analysis thread. All Enterprise would have to do is retreat in order to distance itself from a multiple-viper attack in order to reassess, and regain the surveillance-by-significant-distance advantage.
To the posters who talk about how the universes are too different to really be compared adequately, I couldn’t agree more.
The Enterprise rules.
Data out.
Also, even a fat Captain Kirk (William Shatner) could take an even older Adama (Lorne Greene).
Hmmm….
If the Enterprise came in battle ready… Given the fact that the Galactica has not run across a race that uses energy weapons, thus they have not built their defenses against such weaponry, I would give the initial attack to the Enterprise. Phasers and Photon Torpedoes would wreck havoc on the Galactica. Phasers would cut through their hull with no problem and photon torpedoes would blow huge chucks from the poor Galactica.
On the other hand, if the Galactica was prepared ahead of time… The Enterprise may have shields and such, but multiple nuclear warheads, capable of clearing at least 20 miles of area, would have a devastating effect on the shields. Coupling that with the high rate of fire the Galactica can put down and the Vipers ability to lay down fire as well on Enterprise key areas (Nacelles and Bridge), the Enterprise would be a floating hunk of Swiss Cheese I am sorry to say.
If neither side had the upper hand at the start, the Enterprise’s sheer speed with computer computations and the ability to fire their phasers at the touch of a button would call for Galactica’s destruction. The Galactica takes far to long to get into battle readiness compared to the Enterprise.
So it is a 2-1 win for the Starship Enterprise.
But we Galactica Trekkies all know what would really happen…
On the Enterprise…
Data: Sir, there is an unknown ship that has just appeared on long range sensors.
Picard: Is it a Borg ship?
Data: Unknown. Further scans will be required.
Worf: Captain, should we go to red alert and lock phasers on target.
Troi: I sense something… a presence I not felt sinccccce…. (Had to toss some Star Wars in there LOL)
Picard: Open hailing frequencies.
On the Galactica:
Tigh: What the hell is that? *takes a swig from his silver cask*
Adama: Put Vipers on alert! Is it Cylon?
Tigh: If it is, then it’s one I’ve never seen.
Adama: Launch Vipers as a precautionary measure. Let’s see who we are dealing with.
Tigh: Some one is trying to communicate with us… they are calling themselves “The Starship Enterprise and are seeking first contact.” What the hell is ‘first contact’?
Adama: Let’s hear them out…
(You know how this all goes… we’ve seen it a million times!)
The Imperious Leader
I have heard both sides of this argument, and the overall consensus seems to be that Enterprise would win. I am here to tell you that you are wrong. =P
You are correct, the enterprise is more advanced than the Galactica, and that is its biggest flaw. All Galactica has to do is get Athena ( the cylon ) to send out a virus and disable the enterprise’s shields and weapons systems.
Here is how the scenario would play out.
Scenario:
Both sides would scan each other and attempt to communicate. Galactica would launch the vipers and Enterprise would raise its shields and power up its weapons. They would attempt to talk it out, and they would both be using this time to find out the others weakness. Galactica would discover it was outmatched, and Enterprise would realize it has the uphand and start making demands. Athena would then come to Adama and tell him that she could plant a virus in their integrated computer network.
Vipers are launched, 2 nukes are sent out, and a wave of fire comes from the galaticas hull. As the Enterprise prepares to knock it all out with a wide-angle phaser attack, their systems malfunction and quit. Their life support systems and evac systems are the last to be infected, and they have just enough time to evacuate the ship before the salvo of missles, bullets, and ships come at them. Their evac ships are then brought one by one to galactica and disarmed and taken to the brig. end of story. =)
An Imperial Star Destroyer would pwn them both.
Virus? You don’t think the Enterprise computer has McAfee? This was dumb. Without shields, the Enterprise can just zap their ass with the Phaser and blow them away while they sleep at their stations like a bunch of fucking narcoleptics. The only way the Galactica crew could win is if they went peacfully over to the Enterprise and then stabbed Kirk et Co. in their collective backs.
I don’t really like either of these shows anymore, so that might be fun to see.
Correction, Woody: I would jump into the Enterprise naked, distract them with tai chi, hack into their main frame, and THEN frak the Enterprise’s shit up. And then I’d use their own teleportation capabilities to come back home.
Technology aside, I believe this conversation would do well to match the COs of each ship against each other. In my opinion, Adama’s tenacity and sneak attacks would trump any plans Starfleet might have for Galactica’s destruction. And yes, that’s assuming he doesn’t use an acquired piece of advanced technology against the Enterprise (Athena).
Too much focus underestimating each ship’s specs. Not enough on the scenarios. Ambrosia, anyone?
I haven’t read everything in the topic, but has someone considered the dimensions of the ships. I think I looked correctly, the enterprise they choose is the NX, so that’s only 225meters, while the battlestar is over 1414m meters long. (http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Galactica_type_battlestar#Propulsion)
Another thing, they were talking about the nukes that would never reach the enterprise, because of the phasers. Well while the enterprise is picking out all the nukes adama is shooting at them, it can’t shoot on the galactica, by that time the galactica is right on the nose of the enterprise. and unleash all its fury. (even if enterprise eventualy fires back, the battlestar can take alot of punishment, see episode they were begin shot at by (i think) 3 cylon base stars.
so, I don’t believe enterprise would win. If all else failes, adama can still ram the enterprise and come out ok.
the enterprise would win. you mention that they would be too busy firing at the nukes. the enterprise has more then one phaser array. even the crappy nx has two, the galaxy class has ten. even kirks old contellation class has 8 so they can shoot at multiple targets. so it can pick off the nukes and vipers with ease. but personally i don’t even think they would bother trying to shoot them down, the nukes that galactica has are believed to be between 5-150 kilotons, even if it was as powerful as the most powerful nuke (50 megatons) it would do little damage to the enterprise because the yield of a avg (not modified in anyway) photon torpedo is 25 isotons with converts into 64 megatons. in voyager they have set the yield of a torpedo to be 200 isotons which converts into 520 megatons. we have seen the enterprise take numerous hits from a photon torpedo even with shields not at full strength and still not be destroyed. even a runabout with shields can take a few hits from a torpedo. yes i am saying it galactica would get owned by a glorified shuttle. the galactica has only 12 nukes while a galaxy class starship has a complement of 250 photon torpedos. so no matter how great a commander adama may be, he will run out of ammo.
not only that but the sheer range that the weapons of star trek has has to be taken into consideration. the photon torpedo has a range of 4 million km.
i wouldn’t use the enterprise though, i would take the defiant, annoy them with the cloaking device and while they are confused beam worf onboard and have him go klingon on their asses.
btw, all this talk about adama vs kirk or picard, fuck that, adama would kick the shit out of both of them.
However Janeway would hit adama where it hurts.
Setting aside which generation or series and which model or captain of an Enterprise or Battlestar Galactica, Starfleed regulations would handicap the fight from the start. We can assume that there would be no communication between the ships, because if there were neither would greet the other as hostile. I’m glad the scenario establishes this. Both ships would suffer heavy damage, but ultimately the enterprise won’t pick off helpless fleet ships so even if it beat the Galactica eventually it would be attacked face to face by civilians and would then have to face any cylons. So it would end poorly in any case for The Enterprise. Meanwhile if Galactica destroys the enterprise it would not have to answer to Starfleet and few people in the Colonial ships would question the action.
Once they are close enough, someone could beam onto the Galactica with a bomb in a last ditch attempt to negotiate. Failing that, they could beam back and leave the bomb in the Galactica control room. But as I’ve said, though the telebortation of bombs into key areas would destroy the Galactica, politically Kirk and his crew would never recover from grief once he interviews colonists. Adama would get over killing Kirk because he has survived a holocaust and things are more grey. That is why Galactica has the edge. Even Lorne Greene’s Adama would get over it.
Meanwhile, in the battle between K.I.T.T. and Herbie the Love Bug, Stephen King and John Carpenter’s Christine will kill whoever wins. And even if Christine is totalled, she will come back together and the fight will never end.
no one said that there would be the colony ships with the galactica that would just be stupid. this i believe was set up to be a ship on ship thing without any of the political repercussions because once again taking those into consideration would be stupid and negates the whole point of the discussion which is what would happen if you put one ship and its crew against another ship and its crew follows the same line of reasoning of the harrison ford vs harrison ford one (han solo vs indy) if you bring in chewbacca or the millenium falcon or luke no shit han will win cause all indy has is short round and sallah.
in ship on ship combat the enterprise would win hands down, because once detecting the unknown ship they would be go to yellow alert, which would have the shields raised. so even if galactica unleashed its full nuclear arsenal at once the enterprise can out manuever because a nuke travels at a much slower speed then a photon torpedo and they have evaded them before. and even if the enterprise just sits there a nuke carries a much lower paylod then a photon torpedo so they can just sit there while adama wastes all his ammo on them while picard drink his earl grey. even if galactica managed to get a nuke onboard the enterprise it still couldn’t do any damage, because he have seen anitmatter containment failures and warp core breaches on the enterprise and the shield they generate around engineering is enough to contain the blast, so once an explosion is detected shields can be raised and the explosion can be contained. the galactica simply just does not have weapons that can do any damage to the enterprise. only chance galactica has is if it rams itself at one of the warp nacelles but that inturn would lead to its on destruction
Pleaseeeeeee! Stargate’s Odyssey, with the Asgard upgrades installed in the last episode would cut through both ships within seconds. The end.
It could ram the enterprise with one of its flight deks and then jump away. (keeping in mind that even the flightdeks are even 3 times larger than the enterprise).
btw why does everything get reduced to downright smashing the two things together. It’s kindergarden matchbox cars all over again
lol on the odyssey comment, that would be a fairer fight, the enterpise versus the odyssey especially as mitchell put with its new “ray guns”
From what I remember of the star trek series, energy shields only block spectrum weapons. It’s the deflector dish that blocks solid objects.
Now, as long as my brain is holding up correctly, Galactica fires ballistic weapons. Ballistic weapons, all solid objects in fact, go through energy shields.
Remember Picard laying waste to the Borg with a tommy gun? That’s what good energy shields are against rail guns.
Jump in behind, nuke them in the butt, jump away. I could be wrong though, maybe.
lexicondevil you are so wrong its not even funny have you never watched an episode of star trek before?
1. solid objects do not go through shields. hell even particles can’t thats why you can’t use the transporter if shields are raised
2. the deflector is not a defensive shield it is used to protect the ship from debris that may be floating around in space when they are traveling at warp
3. shields stop projectiles torpedos this is seen on numerous occasion. and the force that they can withstand is great as seen in the episode of TNG with the dyson sphere when they used the shields of a damaged ship to wedge the doors open. furthermore photon torpedos which are projectile weapons can not pass through shields. thats why in star trek: generations the duras sisters had to get the shield frequency in order to reconfigure the torpedo so the let their torpedos pass so they could ultimately destroy the enterprise D. otherwise it would they would have just caused damage to the shield
4. nice try on the tommy gun reference however you forgot the that borg need time to adapt to weapons, thats why they were only ever able to get 2-3 shots from their phasers off before they adapted.
5. it has already been stated the the enterprise has taken direct hits unshielded from photon torpedos and not been destroyed. a nuke carries a payload substantially less then that of a torpedo. so once again they would not be able to do much damage.
6. even unshieled a rail gun could do little damage to the the enterprise because its hull is made of duranium. if torpedos traveling at near light speed and full a antimatter have trouble penetrating the hull a rail gun which in the most theoretical of scenarios can travel at a speed of mach 5 for 250 miles could would just bounce right off the hull
i love galactica but this is a very one sided battle due to the technological advancements of the star trek universe a simple runabout could lay waste to galactica. simple phaser fire and the torpedos could cause hull breaches and galactica does not have any kind of force field system to contain them.
If you’re talking theoretical battles, I’ve got five (5) words for you;
Star Blazers- Wave Motion Gun
C’mon, we all know there’s only one way to settle this…
Picard + Adama + a tub full of jelly.
I cant seem to get the first ep. iTunes isn’t sending it.
Please this is a completely hopeless comparisson. The Enterprise (1701-D) not even speaking of the Souvereighn class 1701-E would vapourise Galactica whenever it wants to. Enterprise is far superior to Galactica. You’ld better compare Galactica to the Death Star or something like that, it wouldnt be the slightest match for the Enterprise
To the people (fanbois?) Thinking BSG could win…You have any idea how fast the Enterprise-E can move at sublight speed?? It’s very, very fast. Unfortunately BSG would never know what was attacking them other than “A frackin’ ghost!”, and against that there simply are no tactics other than dying. there is *nothing* BSG could do because in seconds they would all be dead from a volley of quantum torps.
want to see what happens when the Enterprise D goes up against lesser advanced tech?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conundrum_%28TNG_episode%29
ouch. Vipers would all be dead in seconds, even 50 of them. You seen how blisteringly fast phasers can fire against small targets?
But, *FAR* more importantly…
Let’s not forget something, the premise is the BSG is not a spaceship produced by a futuristic utopian society that has ultra advanced tech, it’s an old warship that only survived the cylon virus which took out all the more advanced battlestars because it is so primitive. the BSG is a stage for actors to play on, a stage for drama, unlike the Enterprise whose technology often steals the show (and dumbs down the plots).
And THAT is the end of this very flawed discussion.
Fact is, if you think BSG could beat/stand a chance against the enterprise then you clearly are not paying attention to either show!
amen to that
Nice thread indeed.
I really love BSG, but I have to recognice it’s not a fair match. So, what if we do a “crew” match?
1. Colonials found Earth, 23th century. The Federation gives Adama and his crew a ship.
2. Via “transdimentional-parallel universe-Stunned Writter” method, Kirk/Picard/Sisko/Janeway on command of a Colonial Battlestar.
What will happens?
No contest. Enterprise in a walk. Look, both ships have taken point blank nukes. (watch: Balance of Terror TOS). Difference? Enterprise lost nobody, Galactica lost over 100.
But warp drive says it all. The faster ship (Enterprise) can commit to combat or evade combat. Period.
Enterrpise can use the transportor from warp and can transport Anti-matter (also done by TOS) into Galactica, and then let the container fail - which is how they defeated the cloud creature.
So, no contest. Doesn’t matter what weapons Galactica has, they never come to bear.
I believe the Enterprise would win because Bigger is NOT always better and Galactica PLAGIARIZED Star Wars, Star Trek is more original. Kirk’s refit Enterprise, though less than a quarter the length of Galacitca shall persevere and eventually shoot down Galactica and put the obsessivie military ship out of commission! The Star Trek-Star Wars dichotomy is an ILLUSION and Trek’s rage is turned against Galactica and the rage of Star Wars Fans who agree as I do today feel the same way towards BSG! The X-Wings will therefore take the Vipers out of the Equation, enabling the Enterprise to shut down the Galactica! Once shot down, the Battlestar will be dismantled by Sando Aqua Monsters in the seas of the Planet called Naboo! Live Long and Prosper! I do NOT believe in the “no win scenario” and as Spack said, “There’s always possibilities”!
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I too think Enterprise will win even though I like Galactica better..
This might be a long comparison but effective
Ok first lets lay down some guide lines for this fight. They can use any conventional methods that they would normally use for a combat attack; they can not run and must stay to the end.
Next let’s take the 40 year old Galactica out of the equation and stick in a Mercury Class Battlestar such as the Pegasus. We will also use the Sovereign class for the Federation.
Now let’s look at the rolls of each ship, the sovereign class is an explorer vessel with combat capabilities, while the Battlestar is a Military capital battle ship/carrier.
The federation ship is only 685 meters in length, width 240 meters, height 88 meters, has 700 crew members and is armed with Phaser arrays, photon and quantum torpedoes. The Battlestar is 1,652 meters in length, width 678 meters, and the height 331 meters, the Battlestar has primary and point-defence kinetic energy weapons, Main prow rail gun battery, conventional missiles, nuclear warheads, Vipers (200), Raptors (20). The numbers to crew a Battlestar range from 3000-4000.
It is true that the sovereign has the technology advantage but we can’t forget about the physics involved.
The Mercury Class Battlestar has 30 twin linked hull mounted kinetic energy weapons and 4 prow rail guns and 300 point defence turrets. If we use the formula kinetic energy =1/2mv^2, the mass of a shell is 400Kg and we know they travel at 1/4 the speed of light so 74.9×10^6 m/s, so it comes out to 268 megatons per hull battery, each battery can reload in 5 seconds, while the Prow rail guns lob shells the size of a midsized car(1200Kg)that travel around 1/2 the speed of light, 3213 megatons per shell with the main rail gun battery.
The Sovergn class has 16 Phaser banks, each section of the ship has its own capacitor that can hold 1.76×10^18J and takes 5 seconds to drain at full power output by one Phaser and 1.67 seconds to charge to full power, so the energy output is 84 megatons per second. A standard Photon Torpedo would produce 64 megatons = 2.682×10^17J and the quantum torpedo would produce double the energy output 128 megatons, The figure from the Star Trek deep space nine technical manual is 25 isotones = to 64 megatons (remember it is a projectile traveling at about 1/4 the speed of light with a weight of 186.7 kg) = 5.23×10^17J = 124 megatons so the total value of a photon torpedo would be 189 megatons and a quantum torpedo would be 253 Megatons. With 1 megaton being equal to 4.19 x 10^15J
The Battlestar does not have any shields but the armour skin plating on this battle ship can take a lot of punishment. We see that a Mercury class Battlestar is able to withstand 8 minutes of constant bombardment from 3 Cylon Base Stars volleying hundreds of high yield missiles along with 5 nukes and over 2500 fighters and still takes only moderate damage, able to repair itself with in a few weeks. Later we see a Mercury class Battle Star engage 4 Base stars and last around 12 minutes before it committed a last stand and smashed into a Cylon Base Star but, from what we can see it could have lasted a few more minutes. The armour is a ‘whipple sheild’ armour design. This suspends a layer of armour some distance from the hull itself. The hull of the ship is also multi hulled with layers of gel in between, this reduces the effects of concussion on the hull.
Just because the Sovereign is small does not mean the shields are weak. Without the shields the ship does not have the mass to hold off a heavy salvo and would be ripped apart so the designers developed the best shields ever used by the federation. The shields can withstand approximately 25200 megatons before collapse. The hull is composed of Heavy Duranium/Tritanium double hull plus 10 cm Ablative armour.
the battle would start with the Battlestar launching all the vipers, the Colonial ship would try and get the best shot on the sleek fast sovereign from its main prow batteries, but the sovereign would be out of the way before they hit, one might have impacted causing minor damage to the shields. The federation ship would not have to worry about shields on the Battlestar and would launch every torpedo it could, the phasers would cut the hull, but due to its over all size it would not affect the outcome of the battle. The slower moving battle star would have a hard time manoeuvring to get a good lock on the fast ship, and the kinetic energy weapons travel just below the speed of light so it would be hard to hit the sovereign, but the kinetic energy weapons are so strong it would punch through the shields in a few volleys. The torpedoes from the sovereign would do major damage to the outer armour plating and since the federation ship is faster it could cripple the engines of the Battlestar but the core of the ship would not be damaged. The battle would end with the shields on the federation ship being ripped apart, the kinetic energy weapons would smash through the armour of the sovereign from top to bottom. I would give a moderate victory to the Battlestar because it would have taken some structural damage but would not be crippled.
Over all the best combat ship would be the Mercury class Battlestar, but remember it is a warship where the Sovereign class is a Explorer vessel.
Although if Kirk was on the Enterprise, the battlestar would have no chance… because its Kirk! and he kicks ass!